Some Proof that there is No God

            "I had no need for that hypothesis" (Laplace to Napoleon
            about god)
 
 

        Contents

            Introduction
           Definition of the word "god"
           The qualities of an omnipotent god
           Reasons not to believe in god
                Heisenberg's uncertainty principle
                The ontological evidence
                Nothing can be self-containing
                Occam's razor
                Some things are impossible to do
                Omnipotence is impossible due to paradoxes
                The void creator
                We would never notice god
                Nobody really believes in god
                Theodicé
           Epilogue
           References
           Additional reading
 
 

Introduction

        Some people falsely believe that it is impossible to prove the unexistence
        of anything, but they are wrong. It can, for example, be proved that there is
        no even prime number greater than two. Other people use to say that there is
        no way to prove if there is a god or not, or even that we cannot get any
        knowledge of god (agnosticism). My opinion as a strong atheist, is that we
        can in fact prove that god does not exist in the physical world. This
        document is my attempt to do so.

Definition of the word "god"

        To prove the non-existence of god we first need to define the word "god".
        When christians talk about god they mean an almighty being. This, I think, is
        the only god that holds, since it is the only god that can be logically
        justified.

        I think it makes most sense if god is female, because only women can give
        life. Something that even people in the Stone Age understood. Later when
        wars affected the cultural evolution, and men took control of society, god
        became male, but the female god still lives on in the expression "Mother
        earth". It should also be pointed out that an omnipotent god must be either
        androgyne or sexless. However, in most religions god is male so I will
        refer to god as 'he', 'him' etc.

        Some people (Einstein for instance) believe in a god who is not a personal
        god, but a Spinozan kind of god. I claim that this god is not a god! To say
        that god is universe - by getting knowledge of the universe we get
        knowledge of god - is to redefine the meaning of the word god. This has
        nothing to do with the word god as it was defined by the "primitive"
        cultures which preceded our present civilization. He can be excluded with
        Occam's razor, and most important: Such a god does not hear prayers.

        If god is not omnipotent there is nothing that prevents him from being a
        product of the universe. If that is the case, what makes god divine? Then
        god would only be an alien, a being of matter; probably containing flesh,
        blood and DNA like all life we know of. Everything god is able to do
        would be things that human beings also will be able to do, all his
        knowledge would be knowledge we will also achieve. In fact humans
        would be gods, which should lead to some strange kind of humanism!

        Many people justify their faith with god as an explanation. What is the
        meaning of life? Where does time and space come from? Who created the
        physical constants? et cetera. Because we lack knowledge of these things -
        and maybe never will, since they are questions like "what is the color of a
        second?" or "how does sound taste?" - god is there as an explanation.

        Let's say that god is the meaning of life, what then is the meaning of god? If
        god has a nature, who created that nature? If god created time and space,
        how can god exist without it? Since creation is an event in time, how could
        god create time? and who created god? To answer these questions god must
        be almighty, or else you can't explain them. In fact you can if you say god
        stands above time and space and so on (which he indeed does if he is
        almighty), but to be able to prevent god from being tied to future
        phenomena, you must give him the quality of omnipotence so he can stand
        above everything.

The qualities of an omnipotent god

        If god is almighty there are several qualities he must have. They are as
        follows:

            He must know everything. Everything that is, everything that has been
            and everything that will be. To be able to know everything that will be
            he must know every position and every momentum of every particle in
            cosmos (Laplace's "World Spirit").
            He must be worth our worship. A being that is not worth worshipping
            is no god.
            He must be able to do anything. If there are things that god can't do, he
            certainly is not omnipotent.
            He must be above time. Something that even St. Augustine deduced.
            But not only that, god must stand above all possible dimensions.
            He cannot be 'good' or 'evil' or, indeed, have any subjective
            characteristica. If god is all good, he cannot do evil things and cannot
            be almighty. Most people would object and say that good can do evil
            but chooses not to do it. Well, if god is all good he can't choose to do
            evil things, can he?

            The theodicé problem

            We also have the theodice problem, stated by David Hume:
            If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates
            his intentions he is not almighty. God can't be both almighty and good.
            There are many objections to this, but none that holds since god is
            ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Besides, if only god
            can create he must have created evil. If somebody else (the devil)
            created evil, how can one know that god, and not Satan created the
            universe?

            For a good look at the Theodicé problem try The problem of natural
            evil

Reasons not to believe in god

        Heisenberg's uncertainty principle

        I have refuted this argument myself. See Refuted proofs for an explanation

        The ontological evidence

        Neccesary a god is a being that is worth worshipping, so if there is no being
        worth worshipping there cannot be a god.

        Not any of the existing religions can provide such a god. How do we know
        if there are no undiscovered beings worthy our submission? Well if there is
        a being that has either failed or not tried to communicate with us that being
        is not worth worshipping either, so the ontological evidence against god
        holds, even without complete knowledge of the world.

        There is a test, based on the ontological evidence against god, that you can
        do to try the existence of god. Pray, and ask god to provide you with a clear
        proof for his existence within a week. After that week, if you have got a
        proof that god exists, send me the evidence. If not, there are only three
        reasons I can think of that are plausible: (1) God does not exist, (2) God
        does not want to or (3) God can't give you this evidence. Because of the
        ontological evidence, alternative (2) and (3) are not worth your worship
        and thus they equal alternative (1). So if you get no response there is no
        god.

        The meaning of the word existence

        What do we mean by existence? The very definition for existence is that a
        thing is said to exist if it relates in some way to some other thing. That is,
        things exist in relation to each other. For us, that means that something is
        part of our system ('The known world'). God is defined to be infinite, in
        which case it is not possible for there to be anything other than god because
        "infinite" is all-inclusive. But if there is nothing other than god then either
        god cannot be said to exist for the reason just explained, or god is the
        known world, in which case, by definition, god is not a god.

        Occam's razor

        Occam's razor was formulated by William of Occam (1285-1349) and says:
        "Non est ponenda pluralites sive necessitate" or in english: "Do not
        multiply entities unless necessarily". It is a principle for scientific labour
        which means that one should use a simple explanation with a few
        explanatory premises before a more complex one.

        Let's say that everything must be created, and that was done by an
        omnipotent god. A god which stands above time, space, moral and
        existence, which is self containing and in it self has it's own cause. This
        entity can surely be replaced by the known world. The world stands above
        time, space, moral, existence, is self containing and in it has it's own
        meaning. Most theists agree that god has a nature. Then we must raise the
        question, who created god's nature? If we just accept that god has a nature
        and exists without a cause, why not say that the known world just is and that
        the laws of physics are what they are, without a cause?

        God is not really an explanation, only a non-explanation. It is impossible to
        gain information from non-information so God as an explanation is a dead
        end. When we have said that the reason for something is that 'god did it that
        way' there is no way to understand it any further. We just shrug our
        shoulders and accept things as they are. To explain the unknown by god is
        only to explain how it happened, not why. If we are to investigate the world
        and build our views of life from the world, we cannot assume a god.
        Because adding god as an explanation leaves as many, if not more questions
        than it explains, god has to be removed with Occam's razor if we are
        serious in investigating the world.

        Some things are impossible to do

        There are things that are impossible to do. For example nobody can cover a
        two-dimensional surface with two-dimensional circles, without making
        them overlap. It is impossible to add the numbers two and two and get 666.
        You can not go back in time (without passing an infinite entropy barrier).
        The number of things that are impossible to do are almost infinite. If god
        were to be almighty he would be able to do them, but it's impossible to do
        so.

        Some people say that he can only do things that are logically possible to do,
        but what is? Is it logically possible to walk on water? Is it logically
        possible to rise from the dead? Is it logically possible to stand above time,
        space and all other dimensions - and still exist? I'd say that everything
        which violates the laws of physics are logically impossible and thus
        omnipotence is logically impossible. Besides if omnipotence is a relative
        quality there is no way to tell omnipotence from non-omnipotence. For
        omnipotence to be a valid expression it must be absolute, but we have no
        objective criteria to measure omnipotence so the word itself is useless.

        Omnipotence is impossible due to paradoxes

        Another way to disprove the almighty god is that omnipotence leads to
        paradoxes. Can god make a rock that is too heavy for him to carry? Can god
        build a wall that even he can't tear down?

        Also, if god knows everything, he knows what he will do in the "future" (in
        any dimension, not necessary the time dimension). He must have known that
        from the very start of his own existence. Thus god's actions are predestined.
        God is tied by faith, he has no free will. If god has no free will god is not
        omnipotent. Another way to put it is that to be able to make plans and
        decisions one must act over time. If god stands above time he can not do
        that and has no free will. Indeed, if god stands above all dimensions god is
        dimensionless - a singularity, nothing, void!

        Besides there can exist no free wills at all if god is almighty. If you had a
        free will, god wouldn't know what you would do tomorrow and wouldn't be
        omnipotent.

        The void creator

        If everything must have been created, then god must have been created as
        well. If god is not created, then everything mustn't have a creator, so why
        should life or cosmos have one?

        Besides this argument has another leap. If everything has a source and god
        is that source, then god must have existed without it before he created it. So
        if god created time and space, he must live outside of time and space. Thus
        he is non-existent. If all life must come from something and that is god, god
        is not alive and hence non-existent. If moral must come from god, god lacks
        moral. If logic comes from god, god is illogic. If nature comes from god,
        god is unnatural. If existence comes from god, god is non-existent. If god is
        the cause of everything, god is void

        We would never notice god

        This is not an evidence against god, but rather describes the lack of sense in
        praying to a god who stands above time.

        If god stands above time and created time and space he can not be the first
        link in a time dependent chain of events. Rather he would affect every step
        in all chains, and we would only see god in the laws of physics (Davies,
        1983, chapter 4). This god is an unnecessary entity to describe the world
        and should be removed with Occam's razor

        If somebody would pray to god and god would listen, the laws would
        change to achieve the desired result. Thus the world would be different and
        the prayer would never have been said. Besides god would already (in an
        "above time" sense of view) know that you would pray, and already have
        changed the world. Prayers would be totally meaningless. We would
        already live in the best world possible, and any prayer would be to doubt
        the wisdom of god.

        Even worse: For every prayer said, god has not acted, or else the prayer
        had been undone. This means that the more people have prayed, the more
        bad things in the world have persisted. Therefore, the more you pray, the
        more evil persist (provided god exists and stands above time).

        A much better way to change the world is to do it yourself. Then you would
        know that it was you who made the world better. The effect of prayers are
        not scientific provable, whilst the effect of actions are. Instead of praying
        you should set to work at improving your situation. This is what humanism
        is about.

        Nobody really believes in god

        Schopenhauer once said something like:

            "Man can do anything he wants, but he can not want whatever he
            wants."

        My thesis is that people who claim to believe in god do not really do so.
        They just wish to believe in god. They somehow feel that their lives are
        meaningless without god, so they choose to close their eyes to evidence
        against the existence of god. The christian view is well expressed by
        Cardinal Ratzinger:

            "Religious liberty can not justify freedom for divergence. This
            freedom does not aim at any freedom relative truth, but concerns
            the free descicion for a person to, according to his moral
            inclinations accept the truth." (The times, June 27 1990, p9)
            [Translated to Swedish in the Swedish version of (Baigenth,
            Leigh, 1991) and then translated back to english by me]

        It's as clear as it can be! For a christian you accept the "truth" according to
        your moral, and then have to be strong in your faith to keep your believes.
        You decide a priori what to believe and then try to convince yourself and
        others that it is true. But theists don't really believe, because to believe
        something is to take it for true, and just like in Nazareth's song Sold my soul
        there is no sign of god in the world. When you have the evidence for and
        against something your sub-conscious works on it and makes a conclusion.
        The process can't be affected by your will, only delayed or suppressed,
        which will lead to psychoses, and those are far more common among
        (catholic) priests than any other group..

        I have personal experience of this believing what you want to believe.
        When I was a child I believed in a lot of crazy things. I thought my stuffed
        animals were intelligent. I believed in Santa Claus. I thought there were
        monsters under my bed at night. I even believed in god after I heard some of
        the tales from the old testament. Then I became older and realized that these
        things weren't true. When I look back I don't understand how I could believe
        in them, it must have been that I wanted to do so. (Except for the monsters,
        which had to do with fear of the dark)

        When many religious people are confronted with criticism of their religion
        they convert to atheism or agnosticism. Examples of people who became
        critical to the dogmas of christianity are Charles Darwin (Darwin, 1958),
        Dan Barker (Barker, 19??), Ernest Renan plus many former "Catholic
        modernists" in the 19th century such as Alfred Loisy and Antonio Fogazzaro
        (Baigenth, Leigh, 1991). The Catholic modernism evolved in the late 19th
        century and was banned in 1907 by the Vatican (Baigenth, Leigh, 1991).
        These people are to me clear evidence that an enlightened person will after
        considering the facts, reject christianity and other religions that contain
        deities.

        Note: This is not the "Plead to authority" fallacy. I'm talking people here,
        who were trying to prove the existence of god and turned atheists. They did
        not want to do this, but had to after reading a lot of books and doing a lot of
        thinking on the subject.

Epilogue

        I have tried to define the only god that can be philosophically justified and
        show some examples why this god cannot exist. After reading this document
        you may object and say that god is beyond human understanding and can't be
        defined in scientific terms. This is the view of agnosticism.

        If god is so mysterious, how can we know anything about him? Through the
        Bible? How do we know that the Bible and not the Koran or the Vedha
        books, for example, are the words of god? (or the bible if you believe in
        any of the other two books). Considering the cruelties that have been made
        in the name of god, how do we know that not all religions are made by
        Satan?

        If there is no way to know this but to trust people who claim they have had
        "divine experiences" there is no way to tell true from false prophets. One
        has to give up his free mind and follow the authority of a dictator.
        Remember also that it is the person making a positive claim who has to
        prove it.

            "I wish to propose for the reader's favourable consideration a
            doctrine which may, I fear, appear wildly paradoxical and
            subversive. The doctrine in question is this: that it is
            undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground
            whatever for supposing it true." -- Bertrand Russell

            "We shall not believe anything unless there is reasonable
            cause to believe that it is true" -- Ingemar Hedenius
 
 

References

          1.Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception
            (1991)
          2.Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith - From preacher to atheist (19??)
          3.Charles Darwin, The Autobiography of Charles Darwin 1809-1882.
            With original omissions restored. Edited with appendix and notes by
            his grand-daughter Nora Barlow. The only complete edition. (1958)
          4.Paul Davies, God and the new physics (1983)

Additional reading

          1.The Atheism web
          2.Bible contradictions #1
          3.Joseph C. Sommer, Some reasons why Humanists reject the bible
          4.Does God exist? a debate between John P. Koster and Frank Zindler
          5.The Internet Infidels
          6.Julian Huxley, Religion without revelation (New York, NY: Mentor
            Books, l957)
          7.Michael Martin, Atheism: A Philosophical Justification (Temple
            University Press, 1984)
          8.John Stuart Mill, The Religion of Humanity (1874)
          9.George Smith, Atheism: The Case Against God